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21 August 2009 @ 08:23 pm
Te vs Ti?  
I'm very interested in Myers Briggs but have mostly focused on the main four letters of the 16 types. I'm now curious about the other functions but a bit confused by them as well. I know as INTJ's we have extroverted thinking. But what does that mean? Being that thinking is internal and in your brain I'd think it could only be introverted. Or does it mean we say our ideas out loud like, "Did you ever consider that blah blah blah?" "You know I was thinking." That type of thing? My husband is INTP and I know we have opposite traits and it's funny talking about them and trying to figure out why it's different for us, but we're both a little confused on some of these points.
 
 
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柊杏 Pope Frances: hmm... [devious]meepalicious on August 22nd, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
Do you have any links to information about extroverted/introverted thinking? I've never even heard of it.

I know personally, I say "did you ever consider…" and "you know, I was thinking…" quite a lot, if that helps any.
Desthagirion on August 22nd, 2009 01:26 am (UTC)
This video shows cognative dynamics as it calls them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NrVc7WLqzo I like the charts and how it lays them out. I've seen these talked about on sites like Typelogic but I'm still confused what it really means behavior wise.
twilightbloo: P&Btwilightbloo on August 22nd, 2009 11:09 am (UTC)
Thanks for the link!

Don't know why I've never thought to search Youtube for 'INTJ' - I shall rectify this in work tonight. ;-)
Desthagirion on August 22nd, 2009 12:56 pm (UTC)
No prob. I have several videos up from my point of view of what it's been like to be an INTJ.
Ms. Purrmeowmspurrmeow on August 22nd, 2009 12:38 am (UTC)
http://www.intj.org/

The "Opposite Letter" link from this page is helpful, but it's all good information, so I posted the main site.
Dominik: the Enneagramdominik on August 22nd, 2009 10:37 am (UTC)
Oh, an opportunity to check if lifexplore is still around...
http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/

go to "function types", there's good descriptions...

I wonder if I should save the whole website, isn't geocities going offline soon..? hmmm
Mariamarphilly on August 22nd, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)
I've noticed some geocities sites are still up but some are gone.
twilightbloo: P&Btwilightbloo on August 22nd, 2009 10:50 am (UTC)
http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/ has some handy information on each of the eight functions.

Te, as I understand it, is used for processing and organising external information and making plans to interact with that external information.

The thinking is still done inside your head, some extroverts do like to verbalise their thinking and bounce ideas of people but this isn't a "requirement" of using Te.

It is also worth noting that the order of our functions matters. An INTJ using dominant Ni and auxiliary Te will behave differently to an ENTJ using dominant Te and auxiliary Ni.

INTJ: Ni Te Fi Se
ENTJ: Te Ni Se Fi

You can also find some more information and discussions on this topic by clicking the "8 function" tag in this community:
http://community.livejournal.com/intj/tag/8+function

On a related note; please add tags to your post to help others in a similar way in the future.
Desthagirion on August 22nd, 2009 01:02 pm (UTC)
Thank you. So far this has come closer to the answer I've been looking for. I really don't like it when I ask for help and everyone provides links. I've done searches and am now ready for others to discuss and explain things from their point of view and experiences. Then I can go, "Oh yeah, I've done stuff like that. That makes sense now."

I know ENTJ's have the same functions but in a different order and I figured we're almost the same thing though they go through a different "check list".

I usually tag my posts but this one I wasn't sure what it went under.
Ms. Dansonms_danson on August 22nd, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC)
I'm just running through (I'm surprised you didn't get a long detailed post by now) and therefore don't have much time to talk but my favourite type book covers this in detail with great examples. "Personaliy Type: An Owner's Manual" by Lenore Thomson. ("Gifts Differing" by Isabel Briggs Myers also has lists of comparison behaviours.)

In Te and Ti the e and i describe where and how the judging function T is used preferably. INTPs use it in their interior life and INTJs to organize their exterior life.
Desthagirion on August 24th, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
I noticed since most posts get around 30 responses. Thanks for the tips. I have been reading more and finding that it doesn't necessarily have to do with T or F at times.
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Desthagirion on August 24th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, please let me know if you find that.
John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt7ofclubs on August 23rd, 2009 06:56 pm (UTC)
I just think (heh) of it as that we will talk about, and share our musings with others on, "mental" issues as opposed to "emotional" issues. A Te will talk about information, while a Fe will talk about feelings.

Conversely, a Ti will experience most "mental processes" inwardly, while Fi (us) will deal with our emotions internally instead of externally.

The most blatant of these cognitive processes, that I witness, is Se, where my dad (ESTP) is a poster child. Everything with him is "Come look at this" or "come listen to this" or "Here, you have to taste this" all the time--he is perpetually "projecting" his Sensing on other people. Of course, Se is the dominant function for an ESTP.

Unfortunately (if you will), our dominant function is Ni, which is the most difficult of all of them to "explain", since Intuition is by definition "ethereal" and then it's introverted on top of that--but it's our (and INFJs') Dominant function. I believe this is a major reason we can be so misunderstood.

Edited at 2009-08-23 06:59 pm (UTC)
Desthagirion on August 24th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
That is very interesting and I've always found it difficult to just explain intuition on it's own. I sometimes fight mine because I get these "feelings" that something is right or wrong or that somehow I just know why something works or shouldn't work and it seems like esp though I know better than that. Sometimes I don't want to listen to my instinct because at the moment there's nothing to back it up and I just can't explain to others why things seem the way they are.
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