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24 November 2006 @ 10:29 am
Dealing with the INTJ  
I found this on this website and found it mildly amusing - just wondering if it's accurate.


  1. Be willing to back up your statements with facts - or at least some pretty sound reasoning.

  2. Don't expect them to respect you or your viewpoints just because you say so. INTJ respect must be earned.

  3. Be willing to concede when you are wrong. The average INTJ respects the truth over being "right". Withdraw your erroneous comment and admit your mistake and they will see you as a very reasonable person. Stick to erroneous comments and they will think you are an irrational idiot and treat everything you say as being questionable.

  4. Try not to be repetitive. It annoys them.

  5. Do not feed them a line of bull.

  6. Expect debate. INTJs like to tear ideas apart and prove their worthiness. They will even argue a point they don't actually support for the sake of argument.

  7. Do not mistake the strength of your conviction with the strength of your argument. INTJs do not need to believe in a position to argue it or argue it well. Therefore, it will take more than fervor to sway them.

  8. Do not be surprised at sarcasm.

  9. Remember that INTJs believe in workable solutions. They are extremely open-minded to possibilities, but they will quickly discard any idea that is unfeasible. INTJ open-mindedness means that they are willing to have a go at an idea by trying to pull it apart. This horrifies people who expect oohs and ahhs and reverence. The ultimate INTJ insult to an idea is to ignore it, because that means it's not even interesting enough to deconstruct.

    This also means that they will not just accept any viewpoint that is presented to them. The bottom line is "Does it work?" - end discussion.

  10. Do not expect INTJs to actually care about how you view them. They already know that they are arrogant bastards with a morbid sense of humor. Telling them the obvious accomplishes nothing.

And a whole lot more. Take a look.
The idiot savant.odd_thought on November 24th, 2006 03:26 am (UTC)
I found it very accurate. Humorously so. I showed it to people who know me, and they were equally amused as I am.
Stephaniemnemosyne9 on November 24th, 2006 04:05 am (UTC)
It's definitely accurate about me.
rainswolfrainswolf on November 24th, 2006 04:24 am (UTC)
I don't know if I feel all of it is true for me, but #6 is pretty funny...
West End Geekjtmulc on November 24th, 2006 04:46 am (UTC)
This has been oft posted here, but like a good joke, it's worth repeating.
Kate: Girl Interruptedpiccolo_pirate on November 24th, 2006 06:14 am (UTC)
Haha. Nice.
Sidereasiderea on November 24th, 2006 06:46 am (UTC)
Funny, I thought the thing you quoted was from the Personality Page. (I'm too doped up on turkey to bother checking.)

In any event, I think it's probably reasonably accurate for INTJs in general, but not particularly useful for me because -- bluntly -- I'm a grown-up. I don't play "arrogant bastard with a morbid sense of humor" like a 17 year old very pleased with his black trench coat; I have almost no use for sarcasm, which seems to me to be very Muffy-the-cheerleader-ish.

Further, I've never particularly felt the need to tear apart ideas to prove my worthiness. It's just something that, as an INTJ and being sensible, I do. And I have some control over it, so I don't do it so much in socially unacceptible contexts.

The entire passage has a tenor of defensiveness about being an INTJ which, at least at this point in my life, in my current context, I just don't feel. A good chunk of what reads as defensiveness is that it's almost entirely negatives -- "don'ts" -- when it proports to be about "dealing with INTJs". In other words, it's not "dealing with INTJs" is "Not dealing with INTJs". It would be vastly more helpful if it were a list of "Dos". Face it: telling non-INTJs what not to do isn't going to help, because it's not like they're going to figure out on their own how we would prefer them to behave.
The idiot savant.: Rabbit: o_Oodd_thought on November 24th, 2006 07:23 am (UTC)
....whew, someone's taking this far too seriously.
Sidereasiderea on November 24th, 2006 07:46 am (UTC)

Welcome to intj. You're clearly new here. If you don't want something taken seriously, don't take it to an INTJ. With all due respect: Duh.

And if you think something is taken something too seriously? Do kindly shove a sock into it. This isn't high-school where we all have to prove how much we don't think and don't care, to do obesiance to the "in" crowd's conformity standard of anti-intellectualism and general air-headedness.

Welcome to a place where people think. In public (*gasp*!) About all sorts of things you, evidently, couldn't possibly imagine people thinking seriously about. If you have difficulty with this... don't let the door hit you in the ass.

The idiot savant.: EATFACEEATFACEEATFACEEATFACEodd_thought on November 24th, 2006 07:53 pm (UTC)
Um.... not new here, I just don't comment often, thanks (Jumping to conclusions much?). Don't act like I know nothing because I decided to point out how silly I thought you were reacting. I'm quite aware this isn't highschool (good job on pointing out yet again you're not a teenager. Congratulations! Want a medal?). I'm also aware the majority of INTJs think-- which is why I love my type.

And while thinking is good and should be encouraged, I found it a little sad and strange you were acting almost offended about a very short personality summary, one which seemed to be written with a slight bit of satire.

In short... wow. Chill. Also, cut down on the ageism.
Wir graben der Schaft von Babellectrix_lecti on November 24th, 2006 09:33 pm (UTC)
If you don't want something taken seriously, don't take it to an INTJ.

Fortunately, a lot of us have the ability to recognise something meant humourously.

When a funny little something gets posted in this community, there's always someone who doesn't see the humour and who give in to the urge to tear it apart. Yes, exactly, "tear it apart" as it says in this particular funny little something - to prove their worthiness, which admittedly quite a few of us enjoy doing, or to prove, say, how grown-up they are.

It is actually possible to take a little piece of witty writing too seriously.

You could of course have been trying to put your tongue in your cheek with your responses to the OP and to odd_thought, but in that case, I think a fair few of us missed the joke.

Naturally, I'm taking things far too seriously myself when I get irritated by you stating that this probably is accurate for most INTJs but not for you, as you're a grown-up. Most INTJs are in fact grown-ups, as that age group is significantly bigger than children and teenagers, and I am certainly a grown-up, so I'm going to stop indulging my need to pick other people's argumentation apart now.
Janne: Leaf on the Wind (LJ Tamaduh)janne on November 25th, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)
Nodding along all the way here -- and more than a little amused at the presumably involuntary ironies perpetrated by earlier poster. But also feeling too grown-up to dissect further.

It's in situations like these that I wish LJ had a feature I've seen elsewhere on forums -- little + and - buttons by each post to allow a reader to express agreement or disagreement without actually doing the 'me too' post. Or maybe a slashdot style rating.
Dr. (Sir) Nicodemus Flemingnapoleonofcrime on November 27th, 2006 09:02 am (UTC)
Out of curiousity, are the suggestions for dealing with the various Enneagram personalities in a format more to your liking? Advice for dealing with a Type 5, for example, would be:

-Be independent, not clingy.

-Speak in a straightforward and brief manner.

-I need time alone to process my feelings and thoughts.

-Remember that If I seem aloof, distant, or arrogant, it may be that I am feeling uncomfortable.

-Make me feel welcome, but not too intensely, or I might doubt your sincerity.

-If I become irritated when I have to repeat things, it may be because it was such an effort to get my thoughts out in the first place.

-Don't come on like a bulldozer.

-Help me to avoid my pet peeves: big parties, other people's loud music, overdone emotions, and intrusions on my privacy.
Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelmanjeroentiggelman on November 24th, 2006 11:07 am (UTC)
I think this is reading far too much into what might lie behing this sort of piece. On the whole I find it accurate. That's not too say that an INTJ behaving so to the point of childishness should be considered "right".
M. Dansonm_danson on November 24th, 2006 03:17 pm (UTC)
"Funny, I thought the thing you quoted was from the Personality Page. (I'm too doped up on turkey to bother checking.)"

No, I just double checked and it isn't there. I've seen it on various type humour pages in the past and I believe the page the poster quotes is the one I orignially got this joke from years ago.
Eamon Burkee_burke on November 24th, 2006 07:11 am (UTC)
PERFECT! I want to get these on a shirt so people know. Make little brochures for all my family and friends in case they ever want to know what's up with me.
M. Danson: INTJ Lucym_danson on November 24th, 2006 03:20 pm (UTC)
I have always liked that one. It's been floating around for years but it still amuses me. The type-prayers is funny as well.